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  Warmer is Richer
Posted by: Sunsettommy - 08-13-2019, 06:05 AM - Forum: Science Presentations - No Replies

Thomas Gale Moore
Hoover Institution
Stanford University

Does hot weather spawn laziness, indolence, and poverty? History says no! During the two warm periods shown in the chart mankind prospered, while during the cold humans suffered. The transitions, however, were often difficult, especially for people who lived in areas adversely affected.

The last Ice Age persisted for about 100,000 years, during which human progress was incredibly slow -- a few improvements in hunting tools and some cave sketches, that's all. Over the last 12 millennia of interglacial warmth, however, modern man has advanced rapidly. As the climate turned more hospitable, agriculture developed everywhere -- in the Middle East, China, North and South America, and Africa, an event of inestimable significance.

The domestication of plants and animals allowed for a population explosion and the founding of cities. A large settled community could afford specialists who made farm tools, crafted pots, and traded not only with locals but with outsiders. Art and science flowered because those with wealth could afford to maintain individuals who would create elaborate pottery, textiles, and musical instruments and who could record eclipses and star movements.

In Europe and the Near East, the first warm period produced a technological revolution -- the use of bronze, the fermentation of wine, and the invention of writing. With a more benign climate and less severe storms, the Baltic region shipped amber along the Atlantic coast to the Mediterranean. During the late Bronze Age, the Alpine glaciers shrank to one-fifth of their nineteenth century span, enabling merchants to carry goods through the Brenner Pass, the gateway between northern and southern Europe.

Cold, wet, and stormy weather returned from 550 A.D. until around 800. Trade within Europe dwindled or disappeared as the mountain passes became choked with ice and snow. From the ninth century, when the climate was still quite cool, to the eleventh, which was somewhat warmer, medieval Europe was almost totally agricultural. The few cities that survived consisted mainly of religious seats with their clerics and lay attendants.

The three centuries beginning with the eleventh, during which the climate became distinctly more benign, witnessed a profound revolution which, by the late 1200s had transformed the landscape into an economy filled with merchants, vibrant towns and great fairs. Crop failures became less frequent; new territories were brought under control. With a more clement climate and a more reliable food supply, the population mushroomed.

The historian Charles Van Doren claimed that: "the ... three centuries, from about 1000 to about 1300, became one of the most optimistic, prosperous, and progressive periods in European history." All across Europe, the population went on an unparalleled building spree, erecting at huge cost spectacular cathedrals and public edifices. Ponderous Romanesque churches gave way to soaring Gothic cathedrals. Virtually all the magnificent religious shrines that we visit in awe today were started by the optimistic populations of the eleventh through the thirteenth centuries, although many remained unfinished for centuries.

Throughout the continent, economic activity blossomed. Banking, insurance, and finance developed; a money economy became well entrenched; manufacturing of textiles expanded to levels never seen before. Farmers in medieval England launched a thriving wine industry. Good wines demand warm springs free of frosts, substantial summer warmth and sunshine without too much rain, and sunny days in the fall. Winters cannot dip below zero Fahrenheit for any significant period. The northern limit for grapes during the Middle Ages was about 300 miles above the current commercial wine areas in France and Germany.

The medieval warm period, which started a century earlier in Asia, benefited the rest of the globe as well. From the ninth through the thirteenth centuries, farming spread into northern portions of Russia. In the Far East, Chinese and Japanese farmers migrated north into Manchuria, the Amur Valley and northern Japan. The Vikings founded colonies in Iceland and Greenland, then actually green. Scandinavian seafarers discovered "Vinland" along the East Coast of North America.

During the Northern Sung Dynasty (961 A.D. to 1127), one of the warmest times, real earnings in China reached a level not seen again until late in the twentieth century. The wealth of those centuries gave rise to a great flowering of art, writing, science, and the highest rate of technological advance in Chinese history. Chinese landscape painting with its exquisite detail and color achieved its apotheosis.

Over roughly the same period, the peoples of the Indian subcontinent also prospered. Society was rich enough to create impressive temples, beautiful sculpture, and elaborate carvings. Seafaring empires thrived in Java and Sumatra. In the early twelfth century, the predecessors of the Cambodians, the Khmers, built the magnificent temple of Angkor Wat. In the eleventh century Burmese civilization reached a pinnacle with the construction of thousands of temples in its capital, Pagan.

In the ninth century, the indigenous peoples of North America pushed their agriculture northward up the Mississippi, Missouri, and Illinois river basins. By 1000 they were farming in southwestern and western Wisconsin and eastern Minnesota. The Anasazi civilization of Mesa Verde flourished; the Mexicans began constructing their pyramids.

The end of the medieval warmth and the start of the Mini Ice Age brought hardship around the world. The poorer climate in Europe after the thirteenth century halted the economic boom of the High Middle Ages. Innovation slowed sharply. Except for military advances, technological improvements ceased for the next 150 years. The economic slump of 1337 brought on the collapse of the great Italian bank, Scali, leading to one of the first recorded major financial crises. Construction on churches and cathedrals stopped. The Mini Ice Age cut off the colonists in Greenland, leading to their eventual demise.

At its coldest, the Mini Ice Age devastated the fishing industry as cod disappeared from the North Atlantic. Besides forcing the Anasazis out of their pueblos, the poor weather reduced incomes in China, raised food prices, and killed the orange trees in Kiangsi province.

If the climate is to become warmer or colder, let's hope for the warmer world. Humans would be better off with higher temperatures. History shows that people did well during the hottest periods and poorly during the coldest. If the climate becomes warmer, we should welcome the shift.


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Posted by: Sunsettommy - 08-06-2019, 05:48 AM - Forum: Climate and Weather - Replies (2)

This thread will contain his climate based poems, I think they are great and humorous too. All of them are from Jo Nova science blog.

Some scientists opt to be seers,
Deluded by false climate fears,
Then project and assume,
A future of doom,
In papers acclaimed by their peers.



Any skeptic should not be surprised,
When alarmists so rashly surmised,
That some warming they think,
Caused a few birds to shrink,
Leaving wagtails a tinch undersized.



The Earth-saving climate-change sort,
Fly their jets to a private resort,
Where this choice elite few,
Tell the world what to do,
As they hang out for days and cavort.


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  Gogues gallery of leftists for climate propaganda
Posted by: Sunsettommy - 08-05-2019, 07:43 PM - Forum: Climate Politics - No Replies

Here is an article with a background of a select number of people who wants to IMPOSE a world order on YOU, the little people they so disdainfully look down on:

Sto Vuono

The Globalism of Climate: How Faux Environmental Concern Hides Desire to Rule the World

Barbara McKenzie

February 23, 2019


Barbara McKenzie Uncategorized February 23, 2019

[Edit: it was in 1988, not 1986, that Hansen and Wirth sabotaged the air conditioning in a US Senate committee room in order to make their global warming point]

The primary function of ‘global warming’ alarmism, aka as the ‘climate crisis,’ is to facilitate a one-world government, administered by the United Nations bureaucracy.

Regardless of the science involved (or lack of it), there are a number of indisputable facts about the background to anthropogenic global warming alarmism:

  • The long-standing plan for global government by an elite;
  • The one-to-one equivalence between the globalists and the creators of climate alarmism, represented above all by David Rockefeller and his protégé Maurice Strong;
  • The manifest intention of UN reports on ‘climate’ and the environment to give more power to the UN bureaucracy and to corporate-owned non-government organisations (NGOs).


Notice that all these people in the link are leftists, who wants to shove Authoritarian Socialism down your throat, the same people who have been wrong many times with their absurd end of the world predictions (ok a little hyperbole, but dam it, they employ that all the time!) and continually promote the LIE that the climate is in a crisis that must be fought against using utopian anti-fossil messages.

They want you to go back to the stone age, to "save the planet", which is dishonest and misleading.

Wake up people! 

You are being LIED to!!!

There is no climate scare in progress, never has been. They promote it because they want to take power and freedom away from YOU, the "little people" who wants a good productive life and freedom to live it.

There are real environmental concerns out there, that are being pushed aside because of the CO2 bogeyman, democrats seem terrified of a trace gas, they declared war against it, even though over 30,000 ppm comes right out of their nose and mouths on each breath. They even called it a pollutant!!!


The ignorant morons fails to realize that CO2 is an essential part of the PHOTOSYNTHESIS process, you laughing about their stupidity yet?

Biology Wise


What is Photosynthesis?
The process that plants carry out in the presence of radiant energy in order to create their food is known as photosynthesis. This process is one of the reasons because of which man and other forms of life are alive on the Earth today. This process basically occurs in the green parts of leaves. This process requires the following ingredients.
[b]Carbon dioxide[/b]

Soil does not become directly involved in the process of photosynthesis, but the plant absorbs some important ingredients, that are present in the soil. Chlorophyll is actually a chemical that is found in most of the plants and imparts green color to them. The process of photosynthesis actually becomes possible due to the chlorophyll that is present in plant leaves. During this process of food generation, the following reaction takes place:

6 CO2 + 6 H2O → (in the presence of sunlight) C6H12O6 + 6 O2


6CO2 molecules per process are being used to make carbohydrates for plants, to live and grow on.

Quote: Animals and human beings in return breathe out carbon dioxide during the process of cellular respiration. This carbon dioxide is in turn used by the plants to make more food

Only ignorant fools will promote a galaxy class attack on one of the primary building blocks for life.

CO2 is a hard working hero to the world, it deserves respect and awe that it has earned, in serving life for around 3 BILLION years now.

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  Graeme No.3
Posted by: Sunsettommy - 07-29-2019, 03:54 AM - Forum: Worthy Comments to read from the internet - No Replies


Good news…the great extinction at the End of the Permian was caused by

Excess CO2 causing warming – as volcanoes don’t emit CO2 (ABC, The Age, The Guardian etc.) that would require only 29 trillion tons of lignite being burnt. It is JUST possible that lignite MIGHT have formed by then.

Otherwise the extinction was caused by the burning coal emitting nickel, mercury or arsenic.
As I pointed out on a previous thread coal/lignite can’t burn when covered with 2 kilometres of molten rock.

that leaves Sulphur oxides (which form sulphuric acid with water), or hydrogen fluoride(in water it etches glass) or nitric oxides from lightning strikes etc. (nitric acid with water). As the ABC ignores these we must rely on nickel sulfide, methyl chloride, methyl bromide, hydrogen sulfide as put forward as possible causes. (the nickel acting as an essential element for methanogens which would have then switched to a sulphur cycle and the resulting hydrogen sulphide poisoning the sea creatures.

Alternately there is the claim that extinction wasn’t due to global heating but to a severe ice age which lowered sea levels by 280 metres. While agreeing with a cold period others question the timing, and assigning it closer to the previous extinction event (the Guadalupian) 5 million years before. Others are undecided as to the length of the eruption of the Siberian Traps with estimates of 2 million years, or 900,000 years, or a series of minor eruptions with extinction coming after a short, sharp 37,000 years. Others have pointed out that some species became extinct before or after the event.
But it any case we can be glad that THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED.

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  Pat Frank
Posted by: Sunsettommy - 07-18-2019, 04:17 AM - Forum: Worthy Comments to read from the internet - No Replies


Quote:Donald L. Klipstein, “No Frank, the evidence is the evidence period.”

How do you know what the evidence means without an explanatory physical theory, Donald?

You wrote, “We know the relationship between forcing and temperature.”

By what quantitative physical theory of climate?

What’s the relationship between forcing and cloud cover, Donald?

What’s the relationship between forcing and precipitation?

What’s the relationship between forcing and convection?

What’s the relationship between forcing and cloud type?

No one knows the answer to any of those questions, including that between forcing and air temperature.

But you need to know those answers to those questions, to know how the climate responds to CO2 forcing.

As to Milankovitch cycles, the orbital forcing changes range from 40 W/m^2 to 100 W/m^2; orders of magnitude larger than any possible effect of CO2.

Annual CO2 forcing is two orders of magnitude below the lower limit resolution of climate models. No one can know how the climate responds to it.

But all we need to do is ask you, right Donald? You know all the answers, just by intuition.

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  Pat Frank
Posted by: Sunsettommy - 07-18-2019, 04:11 AM - Forum: Worthy Comments to read from the internet - No Replies


Quote:You miss the point, Donald. No one is denying radiation physics. 

But neither you nor anyone else knows how the climate responds to the additional forcing. 

You, and those who think like you, are jumping to a warming conclusion without any intervening analytical logic derived from a quantitative physical theory of climate.

Your behavior is entirely unscientific. Likewise the alarm-touting climate modelers and the IPCC.

Apart from that, long wave cloud forcing isn’t simulated to better than ±4 W/m^2/year. The average annual change in forcing since 1979 is about 0.035 W/m^2. 

That means a lower limit of uncertainty in global climate simulation is ±114 times larger than the perturbation they (and you) claim to resolve. How clever is that?

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  Pat Frank
Posted by: Sunsettommy - 07-18-2019, 04:07 AM - Forum: Worthy Comments to read from the internet - No Replies


Quote:Donald L. Klipstein, “[i]My link to the observational evidence isn’t modeling Frank[/i]”

But the meaning of the evidence is, Donald.

The question is not whether CO2 emissions cause extra forcing. The question is how the climate responds.

The only way to resolve the response question is through a falsifiable physical theory of the terrestrial climate.

That theory is not in hand. 

You can go ahead and infer all the conclusions you like, Donald, but they’re all physically meaningless.

The climate has several rapid response channels, including evaporation/condensation, convection, cloud formation, and cloud cover. Climate models do a poor job with all of them.

No one knows how the climate is responding to 2.5 W/m^2 of extra GHG forcing. Not even you.

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Posted by: Sunsettommy - 07-15-2019, 10:56 PM - Forum: Site Announcement - No Replies

Hello readers,

I have been getting a lot of requests to join the forum by those who have terrible IP backgrounds, don't bother trying as I can spot them a mile away. 

The latest one had a 86% spam rate, and over 50 specific spam attacks with Brute force attacks as well on their IP number.

Have reported it to the proper authorities.


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  Real Time Physics Debunks Climate Theory
Posted by: Sunsettommy - 07-03-2019, 05:22 AM - Forum: Video - No Replies

Posted by Joseph Postma

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  Bob Weber
Posted by: Sunsettommy - 07-02-2019, 11:52 PM - Forum: Worthy Comments to read from the internet - No Replies


As one with an engineering degree, I say you’re full of crap.

Proper attribution comes from understanding the natural processes that occurred prior to the event. Oddsmakers need not apply.
This guy got part of it right about the heat pumping in from Africa, but then went on to confusion.

Much of the heat in France came from Africa, wherethe sunshine directly overhead drove hot wind north where it was trapped by surrounding colder air, allowing it to build up in a heat dome.

Let me introduce you to the EPA UV Index map for the US. If you didn’t know, the sun is strongest at this time of year, summer, and wherever the skies are dry the overbearing summer sun will really crank up the heat via high UVI, just as it has in the US this last week.

CO2 had nothing to do with it. Is summer sunshine too technical for you?

If you CO2 guys were so good, a month ago you’d have been warning everyone about the impending Bayesian high-odds heat wave. Instead, you’re all a bunch of ambulance chasers always coming in with a phony CO2 attribution after the fact.

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